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cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:23:00
MBA专业选择漫谈
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by beer (beer) at 2004.5.22 09:24


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看了77的MBA专业选择文章,感觉写的不错,本人也借此谈谈自己的看法,一是支持77的热心,二是希望能对各位需要信息的朋友有所参考。
据本人理解,MBA 方向大致如下 (如有遗漏,请补充)

1. Consulting / General Management
去向一般是咨询公司做Consultant 或去大公司做Management, 这一方向起薪高,但对语言要求也高,非英语母语的人要慎重选择。
这一方向是LOCAL TOP MBA的Favorite之一。包含如下小方向:
- Strategy Consulting (McKinsey, BCG etc.)
- Management Consulting (Mercer)
- Specialized Consulting (IT Consulting, Supply Chain Consulting etc.)
缺点是工作时间长,没有自己的LIFE STYLE。
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2. Finance
(1)Investment Banking / Merger & Acquisition (all the major banks)
起薪高,将来的BONUS也高。工作有挑战性。也是MBA的首选之一。
缺点也是FACE TIME很重要,工作时间长,没有自己的LIFE STYLE。
(2) Trading (Equity, Fixed Income, Derivatives etc.)
起薪一般,但BONUS高,做的好的话BONUS是起薪的几倍。也是MBA的首选方向之一。缺点是风险高,做的不好被炒掉后很难再找回TRADING的工作。工作时间也长。
(3) Merchant Banking / Private Equity / Asset Management
薪水不错,也有不低的BONUS,更主要的是压力相对前面两种小些,工作时间也没有前面两种长。这是现在MBA追求的热门方向。不少I-BANKER都想转到这一方向去。当然要求高,很难进去。
(4)Investment Research (Equity, Fixed Income etc.)
主要为第一线人员做投资研究和分析的,起薪不错,BONUS是第一线人员的一小部分,但仍然比其他职位要高不少。
(5)Financial Risk Management < r o l i a. n e t >
正在逐渐成长中的方向,工作稳定,也相对轻松,可以学的东西很多。将来可以转的方向也不少。
(6)Commercial Banking
主要是的发展企业客户的信贷业务,需要做行业分析,企业分析(战略,竞争,市场等),和FINANCIAL ANALYSIS。也较有挑战性。
(7)Corporate Finance
这是77的强项,我就不用多说了。

3. Marketing (这一块本人不熟,不做过多介绍)
Kellog MBA 应是这方面的泰斗。
- Branding, Advertising
- Marketing Strategy, Marketing Analysis
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4. Technology Management
- Industry Management (IT, Manufacturing .......)
- Project Management
- Others

5. Supply Chain / Logistics / Operations Management
如题。大家对这一块应该不会陌生。

6. Others (请各位补充)

因时间,水平有限,先写这些,希望能起到抛砖引玉的效果。祝各位好运。 < 相约加拿大 ROLIA.NET >
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:23:00
顶!好文! 再补充两个偏一点的专业:HR,SMALL BUNIESS
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by 7y7 (醉里吴音) at 2004.5.23 09:14


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HR是本地人为主的专业,即使本地人也挺难找工作。前几年经济不好,有个同学3年里被勒2次,和做MARKETING的同学打平 :—(

SMALL BUSINESS一部分是针对小业主,怎么提高中小型企业管理水平。也可以给政府有关部门做CONSULTING,加拿大经济以中小企业为主,政府在扶持方面下了很多功夫。MBA因为身价高一般是给大企业培养的,这个专业好像不多。

对BEER的几点补充: [ 相约加拿大:枫下论坛 rolia.net/forum ]
1. CONSULTING:
财务方向也有,四大CA事务所都有自己的CONSULTING业务,剥离出来后仍然很强,一小时收费2、3百不稀奇,其中第一代中国人移民似乎不少,我先生公司正在做SOX,有次开会半屋子中国面孔

2. FINANCE
我拿到过唯一的银行面试是CUSTOMER REP。对于缺乏工作经验的MBA毕业生,这可能是进银行最容易的职位。MBA做REP一般是接待大客户,大企业觉得比较有面子吧。有些要求说英语、法语。 < r o l i a. n e t >

3. MARKETING
做SALES的MBA也不少,主要集中在制药行业,因为起薪很高。那行的同学说制药企业开始雇佣少数族裔第一代移民,因为医药业少数族裔医生越来越多。(真是人多力量大,同胞们加油啊)

4. PROJECT MANAGEMENT { 枫下论坛 rolia.net/forum }
我先生说这行前途看好,等他拿到持牌会计师,下一个就想考这个,是结合工程师和财务背景的有力工具。

5. SCM
行业太新,仍然是经验最重要,对MBA毕业生不太感冒。
P.LOG是行业最硬的证书,必备的敲门砖。 < 相约加拿大 ROLIA.NET >
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:23:00
我读的学校一般,地点又偏,所以来招人的很少 :-)
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by 7y7 (醉里吴音) at 2004.5.23 11:17


现在因为背景IT+FINANCE+几年加拿大经验,倒是有在银行的朋友来问有没有兴趣。我想了想觉得银行、咨询公司这类地方名校MBA无数,而目前在的传统企业还是挺把MBA当回事的,此外除了月底4点就回家做饭,不想拼命了。

再说一家两口子扑事业就没人顾家了,商量下来还是我牺牲,做饭管帐理家抵得上半份工(亏了,其实比上班更忙)

另,不知BEER大虾有兴趣参加YAHOO GROUP么?请给我来个E: evesun21@yahoo.com
你要能来说几句,追随者如云 :-)
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:24:00
读MBA以前觉得MBA一定要读最好的学校的,起码是加拿大最好的学校之一的. 但是...
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by dwhite (haha) at 2004.5.24 02:40


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毕业之后才发现加国的雇主对你是哪一所学校的毕业的并不是多么看中.感觉好象是所谓的:烂"校的MBA也一样很有前途. 当然我没有任何小看你的意思,相反对你的坦诚很欣赏.其实我觉得不管哪所学校毕业, MBA的成功要看这个人潜质, 以前的专业背景,充满信心的追求,洋溢的活力和热情, 以及最重要的运气.同时我也有看到很多的"一般"学校的MBA们也都很出色,顺利或是成功. 象我们中国人MBA多数都是在30岁上下才毕业的,所以从家庭看,从语言文化背景看,从个人的生活状况看, CONSULTING和I-BANKING真的不太合适我们的.也许我们可以进到这些领域, 但是你为之付出的代价也是很高的. 美国TOP10的MBA在WALL STREET工作的人很多都只有26.27岁. 和他们接触以后有这样的感觉,就是在SUPER SATURDAY后那到个OFFER(150-200K)一阵狂喜,然后准备每周工作90-100小时,这样持续5-6年, 那时在那条街上做的MBA们应该可以期望500K的年收入了, 没有家庭,单身生活,连洗澡都会在办公室里,可以攒下个2-3M,就跳槽到轻松的部门或自己开个公司.
所以说我们中国人聪明, WALL STREET不好去,去了也不好玩, 不如踏踏实实地或做传统银行工作,或找个大企业做FINANCE. 我觉得这是我们第一代移民比较现实稳当的途经.
77和BEER都是很理智的聪明人. 20几岁的人只知道什么都能做, 30岁以后才知道很多事情是做不来的, 这就是成熟呀. 所以PRE-MBA们, 别只想CONSULTING和I-BANKING, 拿出一半的热情和努力,你一样会在你熟悉的领域里成功的.
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:37:00
正在搜索MBA的信息, 贴一个关于如何选择MBA的文章: 1)JUST WANTING AN MBA IS NOT ENOUGH

by beautiful-life (塞翁失马) at 2002.8.2 00:01


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The strongest candidates competing to gain admission to graduate business schools are focused on their careers; they are clear about what is needed to get there and what it takes to be successful. Can you compete favorably? The only way to answer this question is to go through a self-assessment process
that will help you identify your personal and career goals—prior to looking at business schools (b-schools).

The MBA is a professional degree designed for people who need formalized training across the business disciplines, to capitalize on one or more specific areas of business. The MBA program length is too short to provide you with sufficient time to discover an affinity for a particular business profession while in school. Therefore, b-school admissions counselors expect to see evidence of your professional interests to ensure that you will take full advantage of the MBA.

Following are a few sure signs that you are not ready for b-school:
•When asked about post-MBA career aspirations, you give vague responses such as: “I want to manage people,” or “I want to be in management.”
• You do not have a clear idea what to do with, much less without, an MBA.
• You seek to avoid the job market by buying additional time in school, in an attempt to determine what to do.

Exhibiting undirected thinking or behavior might prevent you from gaining admission to an MBA program. More importantly, you will limit your return on investment if you blindly choose a school or are ill-prepared to take advantage of its educational opportunities. The MBA is very different from other graduate degrees,
in which academic promise is considered paramount in the admissions process. At a minimum, b-school admissions officers consider career history and aspirations, evidence of leadership potential, and academic achievement. Therefore, the typical MBA candidate has several years of fulltime, post-undergraduate work experience in some responsible capacity. who present themselves and
their credentials well. < 相约加拿大 ROLIA.NET >
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:39:00
2) EXAMINE YOUR GOALS: DO A SELF-ASSESSMENT

by beautiful-life (塞翁失马) at 2002.8.2 00:03


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A good self-assessment process will help you establish specific career and educational goals that utilize your strengths and address weaknesses. Lacking specific goals, you will be searching for a school
without direction. How will you eliminate options, much less make a choice you will be happy with in the end? How will you determine whether the MBA experience was a good value? Whenever you are considering major changes in your life, self-assessment can help you clarify your goals and make wise decisions.

Develop clear answers to the following questions: < r o l i a. n e t >
• Why do you want or need an MBA?
• Do you have evidence from people in your chosen field that the MBA is a logical next step for you?
• Do you have natural aptitudes that others notice? Do those skills lend
• Do you feel strongly about some function and/or industry within business? { 枫下论坛 rolia.net/forum }
• Do you need any additional resources (training, financial, personal, or professional)
to achieve your long-term plans?
• Are you ready to be a student again? Do you have the discipline and drive?
• How will you fund your MBA education?
• If you do not pursue an MBA, what are your options? < 相约加拿大 ROLIA.NET >
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:41:00
3)Rewards and Risks of MBA ( S E L F - A S S E S S M E N T and D I R E C T I O N)

by beautiful-life (就快解放了) at 2002.8.9 11:20


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REWARDS OF GOOD PLANNING,
S E L F - A S S E S S M E N T A N D D I R E C T I O N :

• Identifying b-schools that correspond to your interests and aptitudes especially in curriculum,
placement, and reputation.
• Establishing a clear direction on which courses to take, which faculty relationships to cultivate, which companies or industries to research and track, and where you need to network. Moreover, because you can identify the critical elective courses early, you can acquire the appropriate knowledge to showcase technical skills required for specific job interviews.
• Developing rewarding relationships with classmates who share your interests. [ 相约加拿大:枫下论坛 rolia.net/forum ]
• Achieving a significant return on your investment of time and money in an MBA education.



RISKS OF INADEQUAT E P L A N N I N G ,
S E L F - A S S E S S M E N T A N D D I R E C T I O N :

• Enrolling in one b-school only to realize that another school would have better suited your
objectives both academically and professionally. (Note: Most b-schools do not readily accept transfer
candidates, much less course work.)
• Remaining undecided when you must choose your concentration of study and register for elective courses. (See Aligning MBA Functional Specialties with Career Paths, page 8.)
• Deciding on your career goals too late—resulting in missed MBA job opportunities.
• Failing to develop a network of professionals in your chosen field.
•Wasting valuable time and money in the hopes of figuring out what you want to do.

Yes, MBAs earn big money, but…
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MBAs are prepared to be accountable for employees, budgets, deadlines, and other major responsibilities. Are you?

Higher incomes carry with them greater risks associated with increased responsibilities. MBAs
know that their jobs are on the line.

Employers expect MBAs to produce stellar work and maintain demanding hours. Most MBAs accept all of the above demands because they are truly < 相约加拿大 ROLIA.NET >interested in their fields. Pursue your business interests first, and the money should follow.
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:43:00
4)NETWORKING IN THE BUSINESS WORLD

by beautiful-life (就快解放了) at 2002.8.9 11:23


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Perhaps the best way you can prepare yourself for potential careers is to talk to people who are doing the type of work you might want to pursue. This process is called “informational interviewing.”

The value of informational interviewing is that you are not under any pressure to sell yourself as you would be in a job interview. You are simply using the meeting as an opportunity to get advice and information on possible career paths. Professionals, who may be less willing to talk to you as a job applicant, will often take the time to share their experiences and offer advice as you move through the
b-school process.

As you near MBA graduation, individuals in your network should know you well and may assist in your job search in the early stages of networking, you should cultivate at least one mentor. At this stage, it is not necessary for you to know the job you want with 100% certainty, but you must at least have some
direction. If not, you are not ready for business school. < 相约加拿大 ROLIA.NET >
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:46:00
5)YOUR INVESTMENT OF TIME AND MONEY

by beautiful-life (就快解放了) at 2002.8.9 11:28


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So far, you have determined one or more interesting industries or job functions, and you have gathered information from individuals in those fields. This information has shown you the merits of an MBA degree.

The next step is to evaluate the financial implications of your potential MBA investment. Graduate school is likely to be the most substantial investment you will ever make in yourself. Given that 70% of MBAs borrow funds to pay for their education, ask yourself if you are willing to make a similar commitment.
Before proceeding further, you must weigh the costs and benefits of pursuing an MBA.


COSTS:
• Look at the total tuition cost required to complete the degree. This cost may be offset by any scholarships you may receive based on your relative competitiveness. Note: If you are planning to pursue your degree anywhere other than in your country of citizenship, your associated costs will be higher. Keep in mind, if scholarships are not available to you, your ability to borrow might be severely limited both in your home country and in the country where you wish to study.
• Weigh lost income against improved job flexibility and the ability to return to the job market at a higher salary.
• If considering a part-time program, weigh the value of remaining employed and spreading out tuition payments against the prospects of staying at a pre-MBA salary longer. Also consider whether tuition reimbursement (if offered by your employer) is worth the obligation and reduced career mobility.
• Anticipate loan interest and principal repayment schedules.
• If applicable, factor in relocation expenses and the differential in living expenses once you are in school.
• Do not forget MBA school search and job search costs, including application fees and corporate networking visits.

BENEFITS:
• The education opens doors to a range of employment opportunities across industries.
• The degree provides a foundation for upward career mobility and expanded management responsibility.
• An MBA program teaches you how to increase your marketability.
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:47:00
TIP: Use your network and informational interviews to determine:

by beautiful-life (就快解放了) at 2002.8.9 11:32


• if a certain career path still seems appealing to you after learning more about it;
• if an MBA seems essential, or helpful, to individuals in that career path;
• whether a particular type of prior work experience or MBA internship seems important;
• what gaps exist in your background, experience, or training that could prevent you from achieving your goals;
• if there are ways to enter your chosen field without an MBA;
• what expectations and preferences employers in a particular industry may
have; and
• how to fine-tune your career plans and related school objectives.
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 16:50:00
Who Should Get an MBA -- And Who Shouldn't (FWD)
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by map (恭喜) at 2002.5.8 20:44


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An MBA can be expensive; this year’s Stanford tuition, for example, is more than $31,000. And getting an MBA will consume two years of your life, if you’re in a full-time program.

Obviously, then, before spending your time and money applying to school, you should decide if you really want and need an MBA.

Who Should Get an MBA: People With a Plan
Business school isn’t for the clueless; it isn’t meant to be a two-year placeholder in your middle or late 20s. Business schools look for people with a career plan that includes a legitimate need for an MBA -- so even though it’s okay to go to b-school without being sure what you want to do with your life, you should think about possible career goals, and whether attainment of them would be made easier with an MBA, before applying.

You won’t be doing yourself any favors by going to b-school without direction or focus. If you haven’t narrowed your focus at all, you’ll probably be too swamped to do justice to career-direction decisions once school starts.

Who Should Get an MBA: People With Experience [ 相约加拿大:枫下论坛 rolia.net/forum ]
Business schools focus on enrolling students with at least some real-world experience; the average student at a top business school is in his or her middle or late 20s. Why? For one thing, schools feel that if you have some experience, you’ll have a better idea of how business works and what you’d like to do with your life than if you’re fresh out of college.

In addition, if you have experience in industry you’ll have more to contribute to your peers. One of the drawing cards of business school is the opportunity to learn from your peers -- but of course that’s only possible when you and your peers have something to teach each other.

If you’re a college student who’s dead-set on going straight to business school, you shouldn’t necessarily fret. But you need to know that, to get into a top school, you’ll need significant business-related coursework, a compelling reason for getting your MBA now rather than later, and impressive internship or temporary work experience.

Who Should Get an MBA: Leaders and Would-Be Leaders
The MBA is not essential for a leadership role in business – plenty of top executives got where they are by moving up through the ranks – but business school can be a great weigh station on the road to a leadership-oriented career.

By the time you graduate, you’ll have spent thousands of hours in class or on group projects reading about, thinking about, and talking about a wide variety of businesses. As a result, you’ll be better equipped than ever to make high-level business decisions. < r o l i a. n e t >

And you’ll probably spend some time studying “softer,” people-focused coursework and projects, which will give you tools that will help you manage people in the pursuit of business goals.

Who Should Get an MBA: Career Changers
In business school, you’ll get a chance to think through a wide range of business problems in a wide range of industries. You’ll gain the skills needed to perform a variety of specific job functions. Having an MBA can make you attractive to a range of employers no matter what industry you worked in before b-school.

Who Should Get an MBA: People in Industries that Require the MBA for Advancement
In some industries and job functions very few people hired as college grads are promoted to more advanced positions.

On Wall Street, for example, people in sales and trading often can advance without a graduate education, but at most firms an MBA is necessary for advancing in a banking career. And the need for an MBA may be even greater in consulting. { 枫下论坛 rolia.net/forum }

Who Shouldn’t Get an MBA: People Who Want More Academic Focus than an MBA Offers
Whatever unique MBA program you might attend, the MBA is still a general business-management degree, designed to train people in a variety of topics to help them run a business. Some people are more interested in learning deeply about a single business-related subject, such as accounting or economics. If you’re one of these people, you should seek out a specialized graduate-degree program in your subject of interest.

Who Shouldn’t Get an MBA: Some Entrepreneurs
For some entrepreneurial types, the opportunity cost of going to b-school can be too great to justify taking two years away from work. Those with a great idea might blow the chance to be first to market with that idea; those already in entrepreneurial work situations can lose the opportunity to grow a business in the real world.

On the other hand, there are some good reasons for entrepreneurs to consider business school. You’ll get exposure to a wide range of business issues that should make you more equipped to run a business. You’ll learn about better ways of managing people. And if you’ve got a great idea but no capital with which to make your entrepreneurial dream a reality, business school can plug you into a network that can help you find funding.

Who Shouldn’t Get an MBA: Those Without a Deep Desire for a Business Career < 相约加拿大 ROLIA.NET >
Artists, writers, craftspeople, scientists -- these and others like them rarely have reason to get an MBA. Of course, there are exceptions: for instance, the craftsperson who wants to start a business, the scientist who wants to work in management for a biotech company, the business journalist, and so on.
sarena - 2004/6/3 20:01:00
偶准备用3天时间看这个贴
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 20:10:00
都是些过来人写的宝贵经验,而且相当一部分都很新鲜。不是网上到处引用的东西。据说rolia.net在国内已经被屏蔽,所以找点东西出来换虫子。:s:
sarena - 2004/6/3 20:13:00
我上不了
可能是被屏蔽了
你以前的签名呢
我还没有仔细研究过
现在才发现原来每天都有很多东西从眼前闪过
没有pay attention,真是失败
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 20:17:00
这是老签名的原始素材,没有分段,签名删掉了一些东西,原来的东西很难找到了,拿这个将就看吧。原始的电影片段极具感染力,每次看完都觉得斗志高昂,体内的小宇宙在剧烈燃烧:)


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On this team, we tell ourselves and everyone else around us, to pieces for that inch.
We claw with our fingernails for that inch...because we know when we add up all those inches...that's gonna make the fucking difference between winning and losing!
Between living and dying! I'll tell you this. In any fight...it's the guy who's willing to die who's gonna win that inch. And I know if I'm gonna have any life anymore...it's because I'm still willing to fight and die for that inch. Because that's what living is! The six inches in front of your face. Now, I can't make you do it! You gotta look at the guy next to you! Look into his eyes! I think you're gonna see a guy who'll go that inch with you! You're gonna see a guy...who will sacrifice himself for this team...because he knows, when it comes down to it...you're gonna do the same for him! That's a team, gentlemen! And either we heal now, as a team...or we will die as individuals. That's football, guys. That's all it is. Now...what are you gonna do?

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cloud_zhou - 2004/6/3 20:20:00
被屏蔽也不奇怪,很多当年64的参加者,前端时间都纷纷出来发贴,甚至是写回忆录,政治气氛很浓,屏蔽掉也是迟早的事,只不过这么一屏蔽,再想开通就遥遥无期了。
sarena - 2004/6/3 20:35:00
我对有争议的话题不感兴趣
喜欢关注像我一样的小人物的喜怒哀乐,酸甜苦辣
喜欢有智慧的东西,不喜欢锋芒毕露的东西
呵呵
明天上班先研究你的2代签名
太无聊了
只能尽量找事情来做
echox - 2004/6/4 10:48:00
cloud 学法语了吗? just interested
cloud_zhou - 2004/6/4 11:16:00
no, 法语这个东西多少还是要学一点,打算以后作为选修课,以后有机会吃法国菜时,还能点两个菜:s:
echox - 2004/6/8 18:34:00
倒,有追求,可怜的蜗牛...........
warfactory2010 - 2004/7/11 6:07:00
RISK MANEMENT 和,FINANCE INVESTMENT
是我想学的两门
cloud_zhou - 2004/7/12 10:13:00
Originally posted by warfactory2010 at 2004-7-10 14:07:
RISK MANEMENT 和,FINANCE INVESTMENT
是我想学的两门




签名好赞啊:n32::n32::n32:
jmh007 - 2004/7/12 11:39:00
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cloud_zhou - 2004/7/12 14:22:00
米人啊,MBA可是没什么奖学金的,Y不是砸锅卖铁,就是出身在富豪官宦之家。
jmh007 - 2004/7/12 14:51:00
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cloud_zhou - 2004/7/12 15:11:00
Originally posted by jmh007 at 2004-7-11 22:50:



贵是贵,人家好歹是名校啊!家里是跟我一样普通老百姓,工作7年,学费都是自己工作挣的,还刚买了套房。学费生活费+两年的收入算起来也要150万了。不过毕业后有好机会,还是可以赚回来的。

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:n34:150万,nnd,17万美刀啊,应该不是两年而是三年的费用吧:n04:老美通常应该是三年制的。


唉,非平常人家可以负担的。
jmh007 - 2004/7/12 15:33:00
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cloud_zhou - 2004/7/12 15:59:00
Originally posted by jmh007 at 2004-7-11 23:32:


学费生活费我就算了100万,还有读书两年少赚50万薪水,这个也是成本啊。

老美也是2年,包括internship。

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传统应该还是三年的说,不过现在很多学校为了吸引生源压缩了很多课程,并且广泛采取每年3个semester的方式,其实读个三年也还是不错的,很多课程都有时间选了,方向可以更宽一点,时间多了internship也可以多搞点。
jmh007 - 2004/7/12 16:08:00
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cloud_zhou - 2004/7/12 18:41:00
Originally posted by jmh007 at 2004-7-12 00:08:



还是费用问题。说白了我朋友去读MBA是为了换条路,找点新机会,不在于多学什么。他吃了7年银行饭了,辞职前就在花旗作信贷部大客户经理。




MBA也许能给自己多个头衔,不过空有MBA头衔的话,恐怕将来也走不远。据我看到的资料,MBA在西方也只是一个敲门砖,相对专业头衔要贬值的多,而要拿到专业资格,还是得好好的多学学。

很多人离职前对自己的生活职业都分析了很多,找了很多毛病,缺忽略了自己能做什么。

前两个礼拜,一个professor说得一句话,很让我触动,他说当你看到一个gap的时候,究竟是difference呢,还是opportunity?究竟是事情没有达到设想达到的水平呢,还是自己的能力没有发挥极限呢?

其实在我们重新开始时,自己已经输了一大半,剩下的只是不服输的勇气和斗志。
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